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SSJ4 Goku vs Asura Wrath Verse
Topic Started: Jul 23 2014, 09:24 PM (2,503 Views)
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How far does he go?
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Jul 24 2014, 10:38 AM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:17 AM
If he can break dimensions with his fists, he's well beyond that level.


Well, Super Boo and Ssj3 Gotenks broke a dimension with their Ki only, via screaming: I'd say that, at least, this is as impressive as breaking a dimension with fists (however, it is fair to say that all comes down to the magnitude of the feat itself).

Going by power-scaling, Ssj4 Goku (at least the one powered beyond limits) would take this fight, maybe even quite easily at that; the problem, as always, is that the way GT has been made sucks, and Ssj4 Goku's displays are far, far below what his actual capabilities would be, letting Asura to win this fight as far as actual feat displays are concerned.
So, for me:

- Theoretical power: Ssj4 Goku would take this.
- Actual displays: Asura takes this (thanks to the "beautiful" GT, where base kid Goku outperforms Ssj4 Goku basically every time).
SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Boo never broke a dimension, they opened an interdimensional portal through to the Earth from the RoSat that was big enough for Gotenks and Piccolo to get through. They never completely destroyed an entire dimension like Asura did.
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they made small rips by screaming so not bad

and i mean base goku broke a already somewhat falling apart dimension but note
it was base goku, and he can get much much much stronger then that
meaning he can probably destroy any dimension relativity easy, just saying

but thats with ki are there even any good feats of goku in gt strength wise ?
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Well...GT Goku lifted a good chunk of a city from underground in SSJ4 didn't he? That's a pretty good strength feat I'd imagine, of course since he's going against the entire Asura's Wrath universe he's going to have to deal with Endgame Asura whom had absorbed so much energy from Chakravartin's attempted Planet Buster that he swelled to a size that dwarfed the Earth, I'm an optimistic guy and everything...but I have my doubts that SSJ4 Goku can really stop from getting squished by Asura's palm, let alone with his arm put into it. And then we have Chakravartin whom was significantly bigger than that Asura to the point he could block Asura's entire fist with his finger.
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Jul 24 2014, 03:16 PM
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Jul 24 2014, 02:17 AM
If he can break dimensions with his fists, he's well beyond that level.


Well, Super Boo and Ssj3 Gotenks broke a dimension with their Ki only, via screaming: I'd say that, at least, this is as impressive as breaking a dimension with fists (however, it is fair to say that all comes down to the magnitude of the feat itself).

Going by power-scaling, Ssj4 Goku (at least the one powered beyond limits) would take this fight, maybe even quite easily at that; the problem, as always, is that the way GT has been made sucks, and Ssj4 Goku's displays are far, far below what his actual capabilities would be, letting Asura to win this fight as far as actual feat displays are concerned.
So, for me:

- Theoretical power: Ssj4 Goku would take this.
- Actual displays: Asura takes this (thanks to the "beautiful" GT, where base kid Goku outperforms Ssj4 Goku basically every time).
SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Boo never broke a dimension, they opened an interdimensional portal through to the Earth from the RoSat that was big enough for Gotenks and Piccolo to get through. They never completely destroyed an entire dimension like Asura did.


Yes, they didn't destroy the whole dimension they were in, but opening an interdimensional portal it means that you break the domain between two particular dimensions, which before let them to be completely separeted, and Boo and Gotenks did it with raw Ki: that's impressive.
What I meant to say is that breaking dimensional barriers by screaming is, to me, as impressive as breaking them with brute strength (fists), generally speaking.
Anyway I know Asura did destroy the dimension itself, hence why I said it all comes down to the magnitude of the feat itself (i.e. breaking barriers between different dimensions vs destroying a whole dimension).
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Isn't dimension breaking or busting usually unquantifiable
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Isn't dimension breaking or busting usually unquantifiable
In most cases yes, however the dimension Asura was in does have a somewhat stated length to it. It took Asura on his first time dying 12,000 years of traversing vertically in order to climb to the top to come back alive. I have put some links to the posts I made in this thread where I listed the feats in the game and have the cutscenes in a video so go ahead and view those to see what I mean.
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I'm curious how do we know what Asura punched through was a dimension and not an illusion?
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Jul 24 2014, 07:30 PM
I'm curious how do we know what Asura punched through was a dimension and not an illusion?
Because nothing of the sort is ever alluded, implied, or stated. It's just shown he literally punched the afterlife out of existence, the fact that Chakravartin in his "The Creator" form had a look of scared s***less on his face should be enough for that. Sure we can say it was an illusion, but that has no backing other than a disbelief that Asura can wipe dimensions out of existence with a punch.
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So this is vague as well though right?
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Jul 24 2014, 07:36 PM
So this is vague as well though right?
It's not vague, it's clearly outright shown he shattered Naraka. Chakravartin smashes the ground underneath Asura, a golden light protrudes from it and Asura is now in Naraka. Asura then regains control and flies towards where Chakravartin is watching and punches him in the face, shattering Naraka and he ends up coming back into Chakravartin's world from above and not on the ground or from underneath the ground.

Not to mention he punched himself into Chakravartin's Event Horizon world while being in our solar system, I'd say it's a nice chain of progression. He goes from Dimension Traveller to Dimension Destroyer through a gradual increase of Wrath because Chakravartin made his daughter cry. It's not hard to swallow.
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